This week, we're sitting down with Tim Gautreaux. Tim is the owner of Gautreaux Consulting in Mobile. Listen to this week's episode to hear his story.
Produced by Blue Fish in Mobile, Alabama.
Transcript:
Tim Gautreaux:
I'm Tim Gautreaux, owner and CEO of Gautreaux Consulting.
Marcus:
Awesome. Well, welcome to the podcast, Tim.
Tim Gautreaux:
Well, thank you. It's an honor to be here.
Marcus:
Yeah, we've known each other for probably, well, over 10 years.
Tim Gautreaux:
At least
Marcus:
I would say. Used to work together. We'll maybe get into that just a little bit, but, so it's great to have you here. I'm excited about the new venture that you have going on, but before we get into all of that, why don't you tell us the story of Tim? Where are you from? Where'd you go to high school? Did you go to college? If so, what'd you study? Are you married? Just give us some of the backstory of who you are and how you got to where you are today.
Tim Gautreaux:
All right. Well, Louisiana boy, Cajun. Don't have the web feet just in case you're wondering.
Marcus:
He does have a blue skin, folks.
Tim Gautreaux:
But from Louisiana, but did not really grow up there, my vocation took me different parts of the nation. But, discovered my dream woman very early in life. We were married at 19 and 18 years old. And so, this past November, 37 years, and yes we have ... I'm trained at [inaudible 00:01:30], I'm trained. I'm house trained, whatever trained that I need to be and I'll always have the last words, and those words are, yes ma'am. So, but have two amazing sons, one of which, many people might know, owns a business here locally, Nova Espresso and I'm about to have-
Marcus:
The other Tim Gautreaux.
Tim Gautreaux:
Tim Gautreaux, yes. And about to have our third grandchild, and just enjoying life, just amazing, amazing stuff.
Marcus:
We're not too far apart in age, I don't think. So, I'm starting to look down the barrel of being a grand father and it's weird. So I may be calling you soon for some advice on how to deal with that, but.
Tim Gautreaux:
There's nothing like it.
Marcus:
Yeah. Well, where'd you go to high school and did you go to college?
Tim Gautreaux:
Graduated high school, a little place in nowhere, Louisiana. Literally there was a stop sign, a little place called Quitman, Louisiana.
Marcus:
Oh Quitman?
Tim Gautreaux:
You know where Quitman is?
Marcus:
No, I don't.
Tim Gautreaux:
It would have astounded me if you would have known where Quitman was. But... really did primarily online courses, mostly revolving around leadership and counseling. I have an accredited degree in the AACC, American Association of Christian Counselors. And so very, very proud of that. The objective there was to learn more about human behavior, which very much enabled me to be as effective as I needed to be in the type of work that I do.
Marcus:
Yeah. Awesome. Well, go back to your very first job and I'm not talking about your first job in, because I know you didn't say it, but first job in the church or first job in consulting or anything like that, I'm talking about your first job like flipping burgers, cleaning toilets, whatever it was that you did. Were there any lessons that you still remember from that?
Tim Gautreaux:
My first job was bagging groceries at a grocery store and yes, I remember the manager at that particular grocery store and he had a very nurturing, a very mentoring type approach to leadership. And as a 16 year old, I'll never forget the interest that he took in me. And some things that really rubbed against the grain of my upbringing culture, but he lovingly reshaped me in a lot of ways, and I'm very, very grateful for that.
Marcus:
I mean, do you have an example of something that-
Tim Gautreaux:
Well, punctuality. That was a-
Marcus:
Getting to work on time.
Tim Gautreaux:
I mean it's 101, but it's critical, being punctual. I remember a couple of times, I came in there on two wheels and he pulled me into his office and he said, "This is important. It's important that you're punctual, that you're on time and this is why." And he unpacked that for me, and it was a very, very life changing lesson for me.
Marcus:
I think people lose sight of the fact that, I mean those ... Because I do some help work, whatever you want to call it with workforce development here locally, and I think people forget the role that, that plays in a young person's life and just how important it is to be able to look somebody in the eye or shake a hand or address somebody with a level of politeness like Chick-fil-A has a downward ... Now, I'm going to draw a blank, but it's like, my pleasure I guess, is what they're known for, right?
Tim Gautreaux:
Absolutely.
Marcus:
I mean, those kinds of things. Those are things that are ingrained into us, and that's why we ask that question is because there are certain things that are ingrained in us from a very early age with those first experiences that we have that oftentimes carry themselves over. So I noticed you were, even though I didn't give you proper instructions, you went to our old location and you were still on time getting here.
Tim Gautreaux:
I did my homework.
Marcus:
Yeah. And so-
Tim Gautreaux:
I did my homework. And that's on me.
Marcus:
I mean, and so, I could have helped you out a little bit, but it's funny how those things impact us even into our adulthood, right? So if you're out there and you're a young person listening to this podcast and you're bagging groceries, or whatever, working at the local fast food place, don't just glide over the lessons that you're learning, because those are very important things that will carry with you into your adulthood, so.
Tim Gautreaux:
100%.
Marcus:
Well, why don't you tell us a little bit about the business that you do and give us some information about how you got started. So how that's progressed.
Tim Gautreaux:
I am beyond just, I'm just giddy. I'm excited to do what I do. I feel like I have landed in the sweet spot of my wheelhouse, my expertise. Where I am today, really the springboard, the launching pad was 30 years plus of vocational ministry. And a lot of people don't view ministry as a business, but it very much has a lot of business in it. And so essentially, I have been developing leaders in organizations for 30 years because that's what you do. And so now, I get to help from the top, from the CEO level, the president level leaders of organizations maximize the potential in their organization. And there's just not a greater joy for me.
Marcus:
Yeah, that's awesome. I mean, give us a little bit more insight because that's telling us how you got, but the actual starting of the business, there are some ins and outs. Did you have to think through what it was that you were going to do or was this just a natural like, hey, this chapter of my life is closing because you wanted it? Let's just be clear, you wanted to move into this because this is something that you enjoy very much. And so, can you expand on that anymore about the actual starting of the business like getting your name out there and all of those things?
Tim Gautreaux:
Well, I'll begin with you must follow your passion. This is a passion. So I, 100%, even at my season of life, which is in most cases, ridiculous, you don't do a career change at my age, but I did. I followed my passion because I said, I still very much believe that I have a lot in me and I want to give it, I want to offer it and help every business and every individual that I possibly can. But the thing that I realized that was the probably overarching necessity is something that I've taught, modeled and developed in the leaders under me for years and years and years, and that is network.
Tim Gautreaux:
Networking to me is the bedrock of not just everything you do, but everything that you're going to do. People will always be your highest commodity and you have to leverage it, not manipulatively, but authentically leverage it to move your passion as we would say.
Marcus:
Yeah, no, absolutely. I couldn't agree more. I mean, and there's one famous quote, your network is your net worth, right? I think I even used that in a conference talk that I did last week, where I was talking to them about reinvesting back into their community, so. Do you remember the first and just to be clear, this is a fairly recent thing for you as far as the consulting-
Tim Gautreaux:
About four months.
Marcus:
Four months. And so, do you remember the first gig that you had where you thought, okay, yeah, this is ... I got ... Because regardless of whether you've been doing it for 30 years or not, the first time you get paid to do that thing specifically, there's got to be a, okay, this is going to work, right?
Tim Gautreaux:
There is, and it did not come without just a little bit of pressure because after 30 years you get comfortable. And so now going from vocational ministry to now moving into this realm where it is for-profit and non-profit, but not so much entrenched in for profit in the last 30 years, yeah, there was that pressure and yes, I guess that first opportunity. I think it brought ease emotionally that, hey, I am just ... Somebody asked me, well, so coming out of 30 years of that coming into what you're doing now, what do you have to offer in the contrast? And I said, well, every organization consists of people. And so, the same components, the same dynamics really apply. And I think that moment I had in that first, within that first opportunity was a relief that yes, these people are the same people and they really respond and they move and they function and perform all in the same way, so.
Marcus:
So let me pair it back, not pair it back, but let me agree with you on something and we'll address this and hopefully people will get this, but I spent, well, I spent a great number of time or a great amount of time in church leadership as well, right? I'm not now, and that's been something that I consciously did because I wanted to focus on Blue Fish, because I know that this is where I'm supposed to be and the impact that I'm going to have is through, in this business to the business community, and it's the reason why we do things like this, right?
Tim Gautreaux:
Of course.
Marcus:
But having said that, having spent years or even a decade in church leadership, the thing that I think people don't realize is that to the effect that a church can be run similar to a business, the more it allows the people that are running that church to focus on the things that aren't business like, right? So if a church has a budget and they're appropriately staffed and they have HR processes in place and all those things to the effect that they can just say, okay, all that stuff is taken care of, then it allows them to handle the ministry, the counseling, the pouring into people's lives, the youth groups and all the shaping of the individuals there and stuff like that.
Tim Gautreaux:
Absolutely.
Marcus:
I think people miss that, they think that church somehow shouldn't have the business side of things, but I'm telling you from my experience and from the studies that I've done that all of the really successful churches that everybody looks to, they're all the ones that are focused on, hey, we've got this set of business stuff that we do over here and it's all handled, but that allows us to do all the ministry and things that people think that we're supposed to be doing. And if a church doesn't have that business stuff set up, then ultimately they end up getting to that 100, 200 person mark, and they just stay there because they don't have the ability to push through to that other side.
Tim Gautreaux:
You're absolutely right.
Marcus:
So anyway. Because, I don't want people to ... I want people to listen to this and know, you've been at churches that are thousands or if not 10,000, I don't know where the numbers are recently, but thousands and thousands of people attending these churches, you don't build a church of 1000 people or 5,000 people or 50,000 people without knowing the business side of things and how to market yourself and how to put together a program and how to do all those things, but those are the things that allow you to pour into someone's life and change them-
Tim Gautreaux:
That's right, same rules apply. I agree 100%.
Marcus:
Having said that, if you were talking to someone that wanted to get started in running their own business, what's the one bit of wisdom that you would impart to them?
Tim Gautreaux:
I think you'd know going in, which components are necessity, the what I call just the necessities that I think are universally applicable to any business that you're going to start, because again, it involves people. And yes, those lists from budget, making sure that you're disciplined from a budget standpoint, which is it's always the glaring piece of business that everybody wants to look at, but it doesn't stop there, it's culture, it's business culture. What kind of culture do you want to create in your business? Because really the culture is going to dictate how you appeal or repel the clientele, the people that you're trying to reach. Because they're either attracted, or they are repelled by the culture that you've created, not to mention the internal consequences or benefits of a healthy or a toxic culture.
Tim Gautreaux:
So those are just a few fundamental things that I think are critically important to build the foundational philosophy of I'm going to start a business. Know what you're going to do before you launch and let that vision drive you into every step, every part of the process, I would say.
Marcus:
I'd only add one thing to that is that you may want to repel people on purpose. I mean, no, no joke aside, right? Because if you, and you'll find this, if you listen to Gary V or any of these guys that are super popular, they're telling you to be your authentic self for a reason. They're telling you to be your authentic self, because if you are your authentic self, people are either going to be attracted or rejected from that. But you want those people to be attracted or reject that because you want to attract people to you that want to work with you, and that appreciate who you are and have an appreciation for what it is that you bring. But if they're rejecting and you attract somebody in a fake way that should be rejected from you, it's going to be a miserable relationship for the both of you.
Tim Gautreaux:
Right. That's right. Well, I would add this to that, I'm not for everybody. I'm not for everybody, and no business is. It's not for everybody. I think a lot of young entrepreneurs go into business thinking, hey, everybody should like me and everybody should want my product, everybody should know who I am. And that's just not reality, that's a fantasy. And so, I think the day you resolve that, the better off you are.
Marcus:
Absolutely. So anything that you're currently working on that you can share? You wanted to share?
Tim Gautreaux:
I am writing a book and I'm pretty excited about that. I have a contract with a publisher. I haven't made it major social media public yet, but I'm super-
Marcus:
You just did, dude.
Tim Gautreaux:
Yeah, I know. I know.
Marcus:
No pressure.
Tim Gautreaux:
It's okay, I won't give any names. But anyway, you have a contract and really, really excited. It's probably one of the most challenging things that I've ever been involved in. It will stretch you in 50 different directions because it's a pretty intense process.
Marcus:
Yeah. I would imagine with all the things that you could write about that, getting that focused in and narrowed down on just this thing, and then creating 200 or 300 pages on that, or however long the book is going to be has been the more difficult thing, at least for me that would be ... Because I'm squirrel. I would just follow all the money trails, so.
Tim Gautreaux:
Yeah. Well, it's a lot like putting a video together. You have a storyboard and you basically start with the end in mind and then you work back.
Marcus:
Where do you want people to be at the end of this?
Tim Gautreaux:
Where do you want people to be, and so you work back.
Marcus:
Never thought of it in that way. So maybe now, I need to write my book.
Tim Gautreaux:
Write your book, Marcus.
Marcus:
Well, tell us whaTim Gautreaux:t a typical day looks like for you. I mean, like you said, you're fairly new into this, but you've had some really great successes, but what ... Even from a leader's perspective, when you wake up in the morning, what does your morning look like? How do you get into your day? What are some of the things that you may find yourself doing during the day and so on?
Tim Gautreaux:
Most people would run scared at my routine because it's very regimented, it's very disciplined. I think a lot of people would look into that and say, you know what, there's just no way, that's just unrealistic. And it's not. We have control of our day, and I think that so often we let our day dictate to us our schedule instead of us dictating what our schedule should be. So, I'm a very early riser.
Marcus:
How early?
Tim Gautreaux:
I'm up from at least 4:00 AM on.
Marcus:
I knew it, okay, keep going.
Tim Gautreaux:
But I don't do that with an alarm clock. It's just, it's been so long, it's been so many years that my body just automatically snaps up, pops up. I will not look at emails when I wake up, I will not look at social media. I will not look at any of those things because I will not allow those things to set my initial image of my day. But so I have meditation time. I have time where I journal. I have time where I read, I'll either read a passage out of the Bible, I'll read a section of a book. One morning, I will say, I got so into a book that I would just highly recommend, that I read the thing. I blew my schedule because I had to finish reading that book.
Marcus:
You just had to know.
Tim Gautreaux:
And so, it took me a couple of hours, but then I go to the gym. I'm one of those people that I don't have to go to the gym, I get to. And it's because I believe that it is a huge component that plays into my overall wellbeing and effectiveness and productivity. And so, I have probably eaten two to three times before 10 o'clock.
Marcus:
I mean, hear that, again, folks two to three times before 10 o'clock.
Tim Gautreaux:
Two to three meals.
Marcus:
Most people haven't even had breakfast by 10 o'clock or if they have, it's a cup of coffee and maybe a bowl of cereal or something. But I mean, and you don't have to say, you're like me. I mean, I'm in my 40s, late 40s, you're in your 50s, but you have maintained astounding shape, you know what I mean?
Tim Gautreaux:
Well, thank you.
Marcus:
And we've talked about this before. I've asked you for advice in the past and you've been very willing to share some of the things that you do. And I'm well aware of the punishment that you put yourself through on a daily basis in the gym, and your discipline around eating is something that I just, I'm in awe of, so, but so he's not kidding, but. So you go to the gym and what else? How else would you spend your day?
Tim Gautreaux:
Once the gym is behind me, I can come home. I have a very intentional time with my wife in the morning. Typically, when I get home from the gym, she's getting ready for work and that's our time. We talk and we have good openhearted talks about everything from politics to you name it, but it's a bonding that we allocate that time at the start of our day, because we believe that it's meaningful, it's significant, it's important. And then from there, I am chasing leads. I'm networking, I spend my day ... And I have several clients. I have several organizations that I'm privileged to be consulting for right now, and so, I'm preparing for that.
Tim Gautreaux:
I do masterclasses. I meet with leadership teams. I meet with CEOs, I Zoom call clients. So my typical day is a pretty much regimented scheduled, disciplined, very disciplined. And I emphasize that because I have plenty of opportunity to get distracted, I just don't take them. I don't take them. And that may be very difficult and it is very difficult for some people to do, but you have to determine how productive you want to be. And this leads into your short-term and long-term goals. You have to meet those goals.
Marcus:
One of the things that I had for myself a number of years ago, and I've just maintained it is, everybody's so busy making ... It's the end of the year, we're recording this end of November, a week before Thanksgiving. Actually, no, Thanksgiving is this week, isn't it?
Tim Gautreaux:
It is this week.
Marcus:
Wow, okay.
Tim Gautreaux:
Time flies.
Marcus:
So anyway, so we're recording this into 2020 and in a month or so people are going to be switching their focus to, what do I want my new year's resolutions to be? And I, at some point in time, I think it was five or six years ago, I just landed on, I want to live my life with intentionality. Everything that I do, I want it to be with an intention.
Tim Gautreaux:
That's good.
Marcus:
And so, I switched from this mindset of, well, I want to lose weight to, no, I want to be healthy so that I can live a long life for my boys. And so, when you do that, it changes things. And for those people that have come to me asking for advice, especially when it comes ... Because I've lost 50 pounds or so over the course of the last four years or so. And when they come to me for advice, I don't do what a lot of people do, which is load them down with a bunch of stuff that they have to do. I tell them, I want you to change this one thing. And the one thing is enough that I know most people that need to lose weight, it's something that they need to do, but I give them that one thing. And I say, focus on this for the next two months. If you can do that one thing, because what it does is it shows them a win, because they're going to lose some weight.
Tim Gautreaux:
That's very good, yes.
Marcus:
But also what it does, is it builds discipline in them if they can just do that one thing, well, guess what, they're going to be able to add a second thing, and then so on and so forth. And it's like stacking cordwood. If I can just do that one thing, I start to show myself, I start to believe in myself that, oh, well I did that, I can do this other thing too. And so, it's interesting, but you and I, I think are alike in the sense that we have put a great deal of focus on leadership and all that stuff. And so, -
Tim Gautreaux:
Well, it's a philosophy, it really, I hate diets. Diets are faddish. When you're done with the diet, you'll get the results you had. And so, I am a firm believer that what you believe drives what you value. What you value, determines how you behave and your behavior becomes a lifestyle. And so, I tell people, change your beliefs, get your head out of a temporary fix to a long-term problem, it could be problem and change how you see it and it'll change what you value. Your values will change your habits. And then your habits will create a lifestyle for you.
Marcus:
You know what's funny right now, everybody that's listening to this is going, well, what's the one thing, Marcus? I'm not going to tell them. Email me or text me and I'll let you know, so.
Tim Gautreaux:
That's good.
Marcus:
What is one person that motivates you from the business world?
Tim Gautreaux:
I think I'd have to say there's several. I don't know that there's one that stands out more than the other. I love Simon Sinek. He's just, man, his approach is so simple. I just love everything about how he approaches just the world in general.
Marcus:
Well, he's got the same mindset of you and then he studied psychology in order to understand people and then applied it to the business world.
Tim Gautreaux:
Yes, yes, yes.
Marcus:
I mean, this stuff is powerful.
Tim Gautreaux:
I love Patrick Lencioni, just an amazing, just, he's a business consultant as well, but amazing leadership developer, amazing author, amazing writer. So I'd have to say those two really are probably.
Marcus:
Very cool. Are there any books, podcasts, people, or organizations that have been really helpful in moving you forward?
Tim Gautreaux:
A really good podcast for me has been the Craig Groeschel Leadership Podcast, holy, wow.
Marcus:
And tell people who Craig is.
Tim Gautreaux:
Craig Groeschel is the lead pastor of Life. Church in Oklahoma.
Marcus:
Which has 100,000 plus.
Tim Gautreaux:
They have 30 plus, I've lost count, it's over 30 locations nationwide. And so, not only is he lead pastor, but he's also very sought after consultant, organization business consultant, but just profound, simple wisdom on leadership, leadership development and organizational health. I mean, just an incredible-
Marcus:
You don't build an organization like that without ... That goes back to the conversation that we were having before, so.
Tim Gautreaux:
The book I just read that I would say is probably my latest inspiration is a book by Patrick Lencioni called, The Motive. It's his newest book and-
Marcus:
That one. Good stuff.
Tim Gautreaux:
It is all about motive, leadership motive. There are people who lead for rewards and there are people who lead because of the responsibility and the burden. And so, there's self centered, driven leadership. And then there is passion and burden driven leadership. And I have never, never seen it or heard it explained and articulated the way Patrick Lencioni does.
Marcus:
Interesting.
Tim Gautreaux:
And so, I highly recommend it.
Marcus:
I may have to pick that up and lay it under my pillow, absorb it by osmosis.
Tim Gautreaux:
It's amazing.
Marcus:
What's the most important thing that you've learned about running a business?
Tim Gautreaux:
I would point back to people. I think the most important thing about business is the why, why do you do what you do and who are you doing it for? I don't think you go anywhere from there. I don't think you get past that. If a CEO for example, is in it for the money, then the focus and the obsession will become revenue. It will become budget.
Marcus:
And he'll burn through people like ...
Tim Gautreaux:
You'll burn through people, your morale will be very low. Your culture will be toxic, your turnover will be insane. And so, leaders don't build organizations, leaders build people and people build the organization. And I think that that's the most critical encouragement, the critical advice that I could give anyone.
Marcus:
It's really good stuff, actually. It's been interesting to me, because I mean, at this point in time we've done, I don't know, 180 or so episodes of this podcast. And the one thing that I didn't realize when we first started this, was that in every, almost every, well not almost, but a large majority of the people that sit in the seat that you're sitting in, when I ask them that question, it has been about people. It's how to deal with people or finding people or all the cultural things, how do I build an organization that isn't toxic, that has people wanting to come into work every day and so on and so forth. And it was just something that struck me, took me by surprise until I started growing my organization, and then it was like, of course, so yeah. Last question, well almost last question. How do you like to unwind?
Tim Gautreaux:
I do woodwork, that's therapy for me. Long time ago, I think it was Rick Warren who said that if you do something in a career as a living that really drains you emotionally or pulls a lot or taxes you emotionally and mentally, you need to balance it with something to do with your hands. And if you do, if you work with your hands a lot, then you need to balance it with something that replenishes you from an emotional standpoint. And so, when I'm behind a computer, when I'm in a lot of meetings and sometimes our masterclasses we'll go for two, three hours, then what's therapeutic for me and fun is building, doing woodwork. I just enjoy doing something standing away from it and just celebrating the result.
Marcus:
I never even thought about this, but as you're sitting there and saying this, because I'm like, well, because I used to do a lot of things like that too, I just don't have the time to do it. But in my own way, I've found that in cooking. So we've work in the afternoon, go home and cook a meal, there's something about chopping up the vegetables-
Tim Gautreaux:
With your hands.
Marcus:
Because it's all with your hands. The nice thing about it is you can actually eat whatever it is that you ... So. But, always been very passionate about cooking. So if I'm left on my own with a Netflix account, I'm watching Chef's Table and the baking show and all these things that have to do with cooking, because that's where I find my release. That's where I feed myself because even the other ... Because I was thinking about this last Thursday, when I had board of directors meeting for the chamber of commerce and then a presentation at Leaders Exchange and then a talk at a conference, and then I had a pretty important sales call, it was four hours of draining stuff. And draining, not that I don't enjoy that, but it's draining.
Tim Gautreaux:
Pulls a lot out of you.
Marcus:
Pulls a lot out of you, because you got to be on. Well, then the only thing that I wanted to do after all of that was go to the grocery store, get some ingredients and go home and cook. But I'm thinking that as you're saying that, so that's really cool.
Tim Gautreaux:
Absolutely. Yeah, yeah. For some it's cooking, some it's woodwork, some it's ... It could be a number of different-
Marcus:
Yeah, garden work.
Tim Gautreaux:
Gardening.
Marcus:
Yeah, garden work.
Tim Gautreaux:
Whatever. I enjoy cutting my own grass. That's a good think tank. I enjoy that.
Marcus:
Well, okay. So tell people where they can find you. Give them the socials and your website and anything that you would want to give them as far as getting into contact with you.
Tim Gautreaux:
Well, it's as simple I can be reached, my website is timgautreaux.com.
Marcus:
Spell Gautreaux because nobody's going to get that right, unless they're from Louisiana.
Tim Gautreaux:
G-A-U-T-R-E-A-U-X. So timgautreaux.com. You can reach me through my website. I can be reached by email at tim@timgautreaux.com, G-A-U-T-R-E-A-U-X, just in case. And so, either of those two right now will be the quickest way to reach me.
Marcus:
Awesome. Well, I want to thank you again for coming on the podcast. To wrap up, any final thoughts or comments you'd like to share with the audience?
Tim Gautreaux:
Just, I'm excited. If there's anybody out there who is maybe you feel stuck, maybe your organization is not maximizing its potential and you don't know why, I'd love to help you out with that. That's what I do. It's who I am. It's not a job for me, it's who I am. And so, chances are, we can partner and look into systems, processes, culture and get you moving and get your business to a place it's never been before.
Marcus:
Yeah. And I would just come behind you and say, I've seen you in action leadership. I mean, it is your wheelhouse. So I mean, if anybody is considering, if you're a CEO and you feel like you need some coaching or somebody that's going to help you get past that barrier that you've been at, by all means give Tim a call because I've seen what he's done, not only just in the church world, but we've also had some discussions about what he's doing in the private sector as well. And yeah, he's phenomenal. So Tim, I appreciate your willingness to sit with me and share your journey as a business owner and entrepreneur. It's been great talking with you.
Tim Gautreaux:
Thank you, Marcus. You're a great host. I appreciate it.
